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What Wouldn’t Jesus Do?

April 18, 2009

This is really starting to get ridiculous. I go on and on with long posts on this stuff, and then someone comes along and makes an entertaining satire with nice graphic design and/or stick figures. 

From → religion, YouTube

6 Comments
  1. natecow permalink

    Bahahahahahaha! I’m sorry, I only made it three minutes in before having to stop and just shake my head at the ignorance. I only wish I was up to the task right now of writing my own blog post on spiritual roots to disease and sickness. But I wouldn’t do it justice at this point, so I will continue working on it and get back to you on that.

    Plus there’s the whole blatant ignorance of the Holy Trinity. There are three distinct persons in the Godhead: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That’s why Jesus spent time praying TO THE FATHER because THE FATHER SENT THE SON to do the FATHER’S will, so making jokes about Jesus “praying to himself” is simply a strawman argument.

    The rest of the video is full of some pretty ridiculous claims that makes it too much to address at once, as were the other video’s you’ve posted lately. This doesn’t surprise me, because it’s much like online debates I’ve seen on CARM’s forums, where a whole bunch of atheists bombard one Christian with a metric ass-load of questions and then claim victory when they can’t answer them all. Very childish in my opinion.

    • dorkmanscott permalink

      Good luck with that post. If you can do it without filling it with illogic, contradictions and/or unsubstantiated assertions I will be very impressed.

      As for the Trinity: is Christianity monotheistic or polytheistic? I know you’ve been talked into thinking it’s logical that you can be monotheistic with multiple gods, but it’s actually not.

      And if they’re all the same god, then Jesus IS praying to himself, after a fashion. It’s not a strawman argument, it’s acknowledging the complete incoherence of the Christian mythology.

      This doesn’t surprise me, because it’s much like online debates I’ve seen on CARM’s forums, where a whole bunch of atheists bombard one Christian with a metric ass-load of questions and then claim victory when they can’t answer them all. Very childish in my opinion.

      Let’s see, you think it’s childish that one ideology should ask a ton of questions that take a great deal of time to answer and then proclaim victory when they aren’t all answered immediately or all together.

      And CARM.org itself isn’t precisely this…how?

      • natecow permalink

        Thank you for the well wishes on the post 😉

        Christianity is monotheistic. We are not talking about three gods. If it were three gods and one god, it would be a clear contradiction. But that’s not what we’re presented with. We are talking about a single God made up of three persons. That’s the simple version of it anyway.

        And if they’re all the same god, then Jesus IS praying to himself, after a fashion.

        Ah, you could say that…but only if Jesus simply addressed the Father as “God” in his prayers, or while on the cross. But to my knowledge, he always said “Father,” which means he was addressing the Father specifically, and not the entire Godhead, because as you point out, he would indeed be praying to himself if he prayed or cried out “God, forgive them” instead of “Father, forgive them.” But Jesus did not send himself into the world. The Father did. And Jesus was not fulfilling his own will, but the Father’s.

        However, Jesus did cry out in Mark 15:34 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” To this, I will admit I’m a little unsure of how to address it. But to me, I think it could imply a hierarchy within the Trinity (again, he is fulfilling the Father’s will and not his own), or that while Jesus was on earth, the Father was indeed God over the Son. But I’ll have to ask someone who is more educated on the matter tomorrow, and will comment back with a better answer.

      • natecow permalink

        Woops, somehow I completely missed the last part of that post. I don’t see how CARM is doing anything of the sort. It is a resource for anyone to browse whenever they would like. As a Christian, it is a good resource for learning how to articulate and defend one’s faith.

        Their website is a not a forum post of tons of Christians throwing questions at any one particular non-believer and expecting a response, or a video spewing out several misrepresented ideas in a single sentence and then posting going “see? You’re views are ridiculous.” Anyone is free at any point to email CARM and object to any page anywhere on the site, or call into their daily radio show 🙂

        http://www.carm.org/apologetics/email-and-responses

        • Anyone is free at any point to email CARM and object to any page anywhere on the site, or call into their daily radio show

          In the same way that all theists are welcome to address the scientific community to challenge any scientific work by publishing their arguments/findings within peer-reviewed journals… but that requires logic and/or evidence. 😀

  2. One of the arguments I have heard for ignorance is that people are defying nature and have gone out of control and that the world is in trouble because of it.

    Assuming that all our problems began with “knowledge of good and evil” and is inherited through all mankind (I know it is just a fable, but *snicker*), the idea of keeping Mankind ignorant (or making Mankind ignorant) for the good of the world makes no sense.

    Of course, we will always hear that God does not need justification because we could never understand Him or His actions because He knows the future and someone in our time-line could never understand the outcome. Since someone who can see the future would also know how to prevent suffering when fixing the future, I call BS and shall continue.

    Once innocence is lost, one cannot bring it back. Forcing one to pretend they know nothing, removing the ability to learn something and flat out misleading someone to the wrong conclusion are key features of oppression. Oppression never works with people for long. If this is what He was trying to do, then He must have wanted people to rebel against Him.

    Oh look! It is all part of God’s plan! 🙂 I must assume that he wants to limit His grace for those who live like the fabled Adam and Eve before they ate of that tree (which should have been placed elsewhere because, as innocents, they would not know it was “wrong” to eat from it even if they were told it was “wrong” since they had no “knowledge of good and evil” and “wrong” would be something they could not understand until after eating the fruit). The problem is: Anyone, who has “knowledge of good and evil” (as we are all supposed to have), could never live like someone who has no knowledge of it. Everyone is screwed. Thanks, God.

    Still Abrahamic religions aside, I think some focus on other religions would be nice. Many of the core philosophies are the same in regards to obedience, but some key differences could use some addressing.

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